GeForce GTX 970  vs 780 

I just got a free upgrade from a 780 (regular) to a 970 and I notice barely any difference. I'm not an educated computer person like you guys, but I do notice that games load faster (deus ex mankind divided) and the textures look just a little bit better. However it just seems weird to me that I had a TWO series upgrade basically and it's not easy to tell the difference. Still love my new card though, even if I'm not a computer engineer. If I had the chance I probably wouldn't pay for it though. I hear the 1070 is where the real upgrade lies.

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I rate the 970 3.5/4... Thats all that counts

Should note that the benchmark in which the 780 surpasses the 970 (and is basically the only notable upside vs the 970) was a benchmark using DX9. Meaning unless you're actually running games that run on DX9, you'll get better performance with the 970, hence the Bioshock Infinite test which was on DX11.

I hear bad things about nvidia and what's going on with there 970 scandal. turns out they lied about the 4GB of VRAM and its really 3.5GB of VRAM http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2505688/nvidia-lied-gtx-970-months.html

then a gtx 980? no its not. sorry.

Because idiots keep dragging up old discussions... ;P hehe I totally enjoy my dual Titan X setup thanks. Shutting up now :)

There's a difference between having access to the options and actually being able to change them all. I had a GTX 780 and could access the menu but NOT change the Extended Shadows option. Unless there's been a change since so it can be done but I can't test seeing as I have newer cards now.

Why can't you idiots just be happy with your cards and shut xxxxxxx up already!

That's not true! The 700 series can run the advanced graphics in GTA V. My friend's GTX 770 can access it. So can my newphew's R9 270. However they do not really add much at all to the game. I tried it with my 970 and I noticed no difference. You might have a issue with your setting files.

Really tested and proven? So nobody ever tested the 900 series? Are you kidding now with your spouting of telling people about facts? Also even if the the 970 can only use 3.5GB as it's main V-Ram, It does still have more V-Ram than the 780. The 970 is about 14% faster than the 780 that is a fact, And yes they tested it, Not sure how you missed the reviews! But the 970 now even beats the 780 Ti in many titles. I know you are only mad because you hate that your expensive GPU is no longer top. But it just happens! It's something you have to expect before buying a card! There will always be something new coming out! Now this does not mean your 700 series card is obsolete! It is still a better card than most out today! So accept facts! And enjoy life! Be happy you have a nice card! Being so bitter that you blind yourself from truth does not help you. I have already accepted my 970 will not be one of the top cards for long. A new series will come and knock it down. But I do not care about that. I only care that I have a fast GPU that will last me a few years at high game settings. That's what I paid for.

This is 780 vs 970! Not 780 Ti vs 970!

They need to adjust their scoring on this site. The 780 is still a damn good card, But the 970 is around 14 percent faster than the 780, And even beats the 780 Ti now in most titles.

You guys can come back to look at yourselves and realize how wrong you are.

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how much did nvidia pay?

Did you actually read my last comment at all? I said that it looked like DX12 was going to introduce new features (based on early reports) as others have before it (DX11 had tessellation, compute shader and better multi threading) but upon reading it appears they have just made DX11 more streamlined and called it DX12... You just happily stick with your GTX 780. I'm sure that while you're only gaming at 1080P and don't mind turning details down it will be fine for a few more years yet. I currently game at 1440P, Ultra with DSR (4k downscaled to 1440P) and my plenty VRAM and DX12 will mean I can carry on with that for a good few years.

You have no idea what dx12 is. And wtf does SHARE-ing vram "with" dx12 even mean. It's a feature set MS uses. Oh never mind.

Ok. So enlighten us on the killer feature that is available in your/my shiny new dx 11.1 cards that are missing from the dx11 cards. Not that we should really judge a card's performance on its compatibility with a Microsoft api that runs in windows, but I'm interested to hear your take... And your cards are now dx12.1 complient? Congrats, you might be able to pair your shiny new Titan with an amd card... Someday... Maybe... In windows... If we haven't escaped microsoft's monstrosity and voodoo by then.

You guys are fighting over which card is better while forgetting they both came from the same company probably even been developed by the same team also. lol. let me set some point for you think about: The root of the issue here is that the gtx 970, which is a mid card of the 900 series shows some competitive performance and sometimes out-performing gtx 780 ti which is supposedly a top tier of 700 series. In short, the much cheaper card "apparently" is better simply because of the performance per dollar factor. I don't own any of these cards but the gtx 970 being priced ridiculously almost 50% percent cheaper than gtx 780 ti on its release while performing almost on the same level is fishy. The question would be: "why would the same company who made the expensive gtx 780 ti would release a gtx 970 that would "apparently" out-perform their previous hi-end product on a very short generation gap?" surely Nvidia has compromised "something" on gtx 970 that the average consumers wouldn't notice.

I've only been building pc's and doing pc gaming for over 21 years and seen alot of advancements in graphics with each new version of DX Usually a new version of DX brings along new features that older graphics cards may support software wise but some features require a hardware upgrade to support. Initial reports of DX12 made it look similar. More reading now and it does actually look like they should have called it 11.* as all they look to have done is made a better version of DX11 which is disappointing in one respect but good that DX11 is now streamlined to run more smoothly. Likely no hardware change will be required until DX12.1 which my cards support.

Oops... I just read more of your comments... Now I'm sure you have no idea what directX is.

I'm pretty sure you don't understand what directx is...

No they aren't. Yes SOME features of DX12 will be compatible but to fully utilise DX12 a gtx 900 series card or newer is required for Nvidia. I know what I'd prefer! Full compatibility thanks. Upto DX 12.1 compatibility for me with my cards.